Focus > Ancient Mediterranean, Pro. 9 govori o ovome. There are great onomastic and cultural differences between the different peoples in Illyria. το δε γενομενον εν δαλματια παρα τησ Ρωμαικης επικουριας, και τα προμνημονευθεντα γενε των Σκυθον θεασαμενα, οι τε χρωβατοι και Σερβοι και οι λοιποι, πρεσβεις προς βασιλεα στελλουσιν αξιουντες ζευγλη της Ρωμαικης εξουσιας υπεισελθειν. We are Slavs. Stop dealing with haters. Even in antiquity, little education was attributed to these rulers, but on the other hand, familiarity with military service and excellent aptitude for state administration. Albos came from Asia in 10th century. Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs. Most likely, although the Illyrians are related to the Albanians of today, they are only one of several elements of the ethnogenesis of this people. The name of the Illyrians became the name for many neighbouring tribes that were only loosely connected with them. In addition to the online result, you will receive a noble certificate of origin in a picture frame and other documents in an elegant folder. In general, the entire territory south of Formio was known as Illyria; under Augustus, probably between 18 and 12 B.C., Histria Illyricum was conquered and, together with Venetia, incorporated into the 10th region. let you buddy pyrros translate this for you .... John Skylitzes Chronicles, historian 11th century. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. 1,8 хиљ. I wish fast resolution of the situation there. ), Other History Topics (Arts,Sociality.etc), History Forum - Ancient Mediterraneans & West Asia, History Forum - Ancient 'Haimos' (Balkans), Provocative Politics and Propaganda or Deliberate spreading of ideas, info, or rumor, Pro. Send the samples with the envelop included in the sampling kit. Albgrots try to sell the notion of the Slavs as being Asian and .... Mongols like this Tatar "sokol" claims. "Illyris" (as the Greek name suggests) was, according to Strabon (around 20 B.C. Thats obviously not the case. Important notice: the following results are only from the Orthodox population of Serbia which is why R1a is higher that average results and E1b is lower The haplogroups that make the Serbian genetic pool are as follows: I2a1b-L621: 32.49% – Sclavenian (South Slavic) R1a: 23.48% – “North“ Slavic (more common for western and eastern Slavs, southern Slavs are usually I2a) The term Illyria was probably the only one available with the necessary range of meaning to cover even approximately the areas under consideration; it is certain that this term paved the way for the late antique use of the word, as "Illyrian" under Emperor Septimius Severus (193-211 AD) described the army stationed in the Balkans and later several emperors who came from the Balkans. Excerpt from the Byzantian cronicle states that during visit to Emperor Vasilis Basil II "the Bulgar-Slayer" (Βασίλειος Β΄ ὁ Βουλγαροκτόνος). Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka Since time immemorial the Illyrians have appeared as opponents and competitors first of the Greeks and later of the Macedonians. The origin of all ancestors is determined according to regions and percentages. The archaeological legacy shows the highest settlement density of Illyrian population groups for the area of today's Albania and Bosnia. Ordered by 29% of customers for an origins analysis. At the beginning of the Middle Ages, they split into three groups: one group migrated to Central Europe (the Western Slavs), another group went to Eastern Europe (the Eastern Slavs) while the last group remained in the Balkans (the South Slavs). Since the 1830s there have been efforts in the Balkan Peninsula to trace the origins of their own people back to ancient peoples. Already under Augustus (63 B.C. But, Illyrians were largely Neolithic in genetics after their assimilation into Rome. > Focus > Ancient Balkans / Haimos, Pro. The Thracians were advanced in metalworking and in horsemanship. Pre-Indo-Germanic populations were involved in the process of Illyrian ethnogenesis, which entered into a union with the oldest Indo-Germanic immigrants. The term "Illyrians" is a collective name for an Indo-European group of peoples in the countries of the eastern Adriatic coast from Epirus to the Morawa and the middle Danube and in the northwest of the Adriatic Sea the Illyrian Venetes, which are divided into many individual tribes and are related to the Thracians. The unifying factor was mainly the locally varying degree of Romanisation. Some reached a higher level of development: the difference in civilization was particularly great between the coastal peoples and the tribes in the interior. Do not edit the contents of this page. For more than 7 centuries Illyrians and Romans (i.e. But the conquest of the whole area inhabited by Illyrians lasted even longer. Most South Slavs are 50/50. You will receive a list of genetic relatives in your online result. Illirians and Thracians are extinct cultures. After the defeat of King Perseus of Macedonia in 168 BC, it was incorporated into the province of Macedonia. Since there are only very few sources, exclusively short inscriptions as well as individual place, people and person names for the Illyrian language, a proof is very difficult. Sv78. This is an archive of past discussions. Italian colonists, Roman administrators and merchants) were in contact. The saksan employees wrote "covid". The term "Illyria" was also used in late antiquity to describe the western Balkan peninsula. Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs. The Illyrians fled to the walled cities of Thrace and Anatolia & Southern Greece. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. croatian historian and scientist: „history teaches us that the ancient Illyrians were Slavs.“ ^2 clowns ....both with red chapped hands from high-fiving each other or who knows what else, It is high treason for a Greek or Serb to acknowledge Albanians as descendants of the Illyrians. From this settlement symbiosis, in the area of northern Albania, the Albanian people emerged, in whose collective ethnicity the traces of Illyrianism have been preserved. The cultural and linguistic symbiosis between the Romanized Illyrians on the Adriatic coast and the Illyrian inhabitants of the mountainous interior, who had asserted their native traditions against the pressure of the Roman world, still appears in the Albanian language today. The proponents of this theory base this on some lexical and grammatical similarities between the Romanian and Albanian languages, which can be traced back to an Old Balkan substrate. The first misconception concerns the never-ending disputation between the … From then on, most of the army commanders came from Asia Minor, and the time of the Illyrian emperors had also come to an end. The relationship of the ancient Illyrians to the Albanians is controversial in research. Of letters with diacritics, only the letters č, ž, š and ě are retained. Two great misconceptions, mostly malicious (nationalist-chauvinist-driven), reign the historical sciences in the western-Balkans for the last two and a half centuries. Jul 23, 2008 #13 Lol and people in the Republic of macedonia are Macedonian like Alexander.. rep of Macedonia are Slavs, Macedon is in northern Greece. In the 4th century three dioceses of the new territorial-administrative structure of the Roman Empire were created in the Pannonian Balkan region (Pannonia, Moesia, Thracia): they belonged to the Illyricum, one of the four prefectures created by Emperor Constantine. In South Illyria an Illyrian kingdom was established in the 5th century BC. Autosomally, Albanians and Greeks and Italians, even Bulgarians to a lesser extent, are largely Neolithic. This mans health got worse after few days, now he is in Serbian hospital. & Pro. If you disagree with these hypotheses, please tell me politely(I know I say that a lot but I think having respectable dignity is an honorable characteristic). My Deda's bro in BiH died of cancer. Because of their semi-legendary character, the Illyrians were well suited as a starting point for national identity building. Only around shkoder area Slavs burned every little Illyrian city, 40 cities in total. Following the failed "Pannonian revolt" (8 AD), an intensive Romanisation of the towns in Illyria began. Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka Also the whole Northern Balkans was abandoned before the Slavs came because of Avar raids. A strong tribal chieftain, however, could unite several tribes into a kingdom. When in the last quarter of the 6th century the Danube region was devastated by Slavic, Avaric and Hunnish attackers and finally escaped imperial control for a long time, the area lost its importance as a recruitment area for the army. & Pro. South Slavs mixed mostly with Vlachs and Albanians, both of those are a mixture of other folks (Illyrians, Thracians, Dardanians e.g. During the Bronze Age certain techniques of pottery production and burial forms (burials) spread from the Balkans to southern Italy. The Dardanians, for example, are thought to have been a Thracian tribe whose culture was transformed by the Illyrian one. & Pro. ^^^^ church slavonic and the bulgarian empire, In the meantime in the real world : Greece indeed has a lot of Jakavica toponyms (Bulgarian) but Alb is full of Ekavica... lol. However, after the Illyrian name, crest with a crescent moon and tri colour were banned by the emperors decree, by Germanic-Hungarian political decision the progeny of the ancient Illyrians were declared as Albanians, and south Slavs all of a sudden became “settlers from Carpathians”. The legacy of the Romanized Illyrians are more than 600 loan words of Latin origin in the Albanian vocabulary. the Illyrian peoples Dardani and Paeones are mentioned as allies of the Trojans. written and online after approx. Some remnants of their languages seems to be present in Albanian and Romanian languages who are probably closest relatives of those people. You will know the haplogroup and migrations (prehistoric time), the ancient tribe (antiquity) as well as the region of origin (Middle Ages) of the paternal line (men) OR the maternal line (women). In the course of the 3rd century the Danube region had become one of the most important recruitment areas for the imperial army. Since about 1000 BC local cultures developed with continuity into the Iron Age (8th-6th century BC). > Focus > Middle East (NAfr/WAsia), Pro. Also I agree Albanians come from the Caucasus The term Illyrians is understood differently and used inconsistently. over part of the Illyrian territory, was called "Illyria" in Latin. The Senate Province of Illyricum included large parts of the later province of Dalmatia and parts of Pannonia. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. The point is Slavs need to get serious. Trade and traffic of the Greeks with the Illyrians, feared by them as barbarian and pirate, took place since the 6th century BC via the two Greek cities in the Illyrian region: Apollonia and Epidamnos. Pol. With the Bulgarians, it is the Thracians, Romans, Greeks, and Slavs. No, Albanians are not Slavs. A world map shows your different origins. The hypothesis of Illyrian descent is based on the assumption that there is a remaining Illyrian population in the Albanian highlands, which survived the upheavals of the migration of peoples (4th to 6th century). Greek and Latin writers of the time after the foundation of the protectorate of Illyricum, who mentioned Illyria and/or the Illyrians, did so only with regard to the administrative organization of the Balkans or in the geographical sense, because the northwest of the peninsula belonged mostly to Illyricum. ^ the name Slav has many negative connotations stemming from their enemies, ROMANS! false-Greeks hate Serbs. The Illyrians, bearers of the Hallstatt culture, were divided into tribes, each a self-governing community with a council of elders and a chosen leader. North of the core area of Illyrian settlement, tribes were widespread which were also attributed to the Illyrians, but which also show characteristics of other ancient peoples. > CRO-SPARTACUS'S WORLD -. 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Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs. Most likely, although the Illyrians are related to the Albanians of today, they are only one of several elements of the ethnogenesis of this people. The name of the Illyrians became the name for many neighbouring tribes that were only loosely connected with them. In addition to the online result, you will receive a noble certificate of origin in a picture frame and other documents in an elegant folder. In general, the entire territory south of Formio was known as Illyria; under Augustus, probably between 18 and 12 B.C., Histria Illyricum was conquered and, together with Venetia, incorporated into the 10th region. let you buddy pyrros translate this for you .... John Skylitzes Chronicles, historian 11th century. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. 1,8 хиљ. I wish fast resolution of the situation there. ), Other History Topics (Arts,Sociality.etc), History Forum - Ancient Mediterraneans & West Asia, History Forum - Ancient 'Haimos' (Balkans), Provocative Politics and Propaganda or Deliberate spreading of ideas, info, or rumor, Pro. Send the samples with the envelop included in the sampling kit. Albgrots try to sell the notion of the Slavs as being Asian and .... Mongols like this Tatar "sokol" claims. "Illyris" (as the Greek name suggests) was, according to Strabon (around 20 B.C. Thats obviously not the case. Important notice: the following results are only from the Orthodox population of Serbia which is why R1a is higher that average results and E1b is lower The haplogroups that make the Serbian genetic pool are as follows: I2a1b-L621: 32.49% – Sclavenian (South Slavic) R1a: 23.48% – “North“ Slavic (more common for western and eastern Slavs, southern Slavs are usually I2a) The term Illyria was probably the only one available with the necessary range of meaning to cover even approximately the areas under consideration; it is certain that this term paved the way for the late antique use of the word, as "Illyrian" under Emperor Septimius Severus (193-211 AD) described the army stationed in the Balkans and later several emperors who came from the Balkans. Excerpt from the Byzantian cronicle states that during visit to Emperor Vasilis Basil II "the Bulgar-Slayer" (Βασίλειος Β΄ ὁ Βουλγαροκτόνος). Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka Since time immemorial the Illyrians have appeared as opponents and competitors first of the Greeks and later of the Macedonians. The origin of all ancestors is determined according to regions and percentages. The archaeological legacy shows the highest settlement density of Illyrian population groups for the area of today's Albania and Bosnia. Ordered by 29% of customers for an origins analysis. At the beginning of the Middle Ages, they split into three groups: one group migrated to Central Europe (the Western Slavs), another group went to Eastern Europe (the Eastern Slavs) while the last group remained in the Balkans (the South Slavs). Since the 1830s there have been efforts in the Balkan Peninsula to trace the origins of their own people back to ancient peoples. Already under Augustus (63 B.C. But, Illyrians were largely Neolithic in genetics after their assimilation into Rome. > Focus > Ancient Balkans / Haimos, Pro. The Thracians were advanced in metalworking and in horsemanship. Pre-Indo-Germanic populations were involved in the process of Illyrian ethnogenesis, which entered into a union with the oldest Indo-Germanic immigrants. The term "Illyrians" is a collective name for an Indo-European group of peoples in the countries of the eastern Adriatic coast from Epirus to the Morawa and the middle Danube and in the northwest of the Adriatic Sea the Illyrian Venetes, which are divided into many individual tribes and are related to the Thracians. The unifying factor was mainly the locally varying degree of Romanisation. Some reached a higher level of development: the difference in civilization was particularly great between the coastal peoples and the tribes in the interior. Do not edit the contents of this page. For more than 7 centuries Illyrians and Romans (i.e. But the conquest of the whole area inhabited by Illyrians lasted even longer. Most South Slavs are 50/50. You will receive a list of genetic relatives in your online result. Illirians and Thracians are extinct cultures. After the defeat of King Perseus of Macedonia in 168 BC, it was incorporated into the province of Macedonia. Since there are only very few sources, exclusively short inscriptions as well as individual place, people and person names for the Illyrian language, a proof is very difficult. Sv78. This is an archive of past discussions. Italian colonists, Roman administrators and merchants) were in contact. The saksan employees wrote "covid". The term "Illyria" was also used in late antiquity to describe the western Balkan peninsula. Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs. The Illyrians fled to the walled cities of Thrace and Anatolia & Southern Greece. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. croatian historian and scientist: „history teaches us that the ancient Illyrians were Slavs.“ ^2 clowns ....both with red chapped hands from high-fiving each other or who knows what else, It is high treason for a Greek or Serb to acknowledge Albanians as descendants of the Illyrians. From this settlement symbiosis, in the area of northern Albania, the Albanian people emerged, in whose collective ethnicity the traces of Illyrianism have been preserved. The cultural and linguistic symbiosis between the Romanized Illyrians on the Adriatic coast and the Illyrian inhabitants of the mountainous interior, who had asserted their native traditions against the pressure of the Roman world, still appears in the Albanian language today. The proponents of this theory base this on some lexical and grammatical similarities between the Romanian and Albanian languages, which can be traced back to an Old Balkan substrate. The first misconception concerns the never-ending disputation between the … From then on, most of the army commanders came from Asia Minor, and the time of the Illyrian emperors had also come to an end. The relationship of the ancient Illyrians to the Albanians is controversial in research. Of letters with diacritics, only the letters č, ž, š and ě are retained. Two great misconceptions, mostly malicious (nationalist-chauvinist-driven), reign the historical sciences in the western-Balkans for the last two and a half centuries. Jul 23, 2008 #13 Lol and people in the Republic of macedonia are Macedonian like Alexander.. rep of Macedonia are Slavs, Macedon is in northern Greece. In the 4th century three dioceses of the new territorial-administrative structure of the Roman Empire were created in the Pannonian Balkan region (Pannonia, Moesia, Thracia): they belonged to the Illyricum, one of the four prefectures created by Emperor Constantine. In South Illyria an Illyrian kingdom was established in the 5th century BC. Autosomally, Albanians and Greeks and Italians, even Bulgarians to a lesser extent, are largely Neolithic. This mans health got worse after few days, now he is in Serbian hospital. & Pro. If you disagree with these hypotheses, please tell me politely(I know I say that a lot but I think having respectable dignity is an honorable characteristic). My Deda's bro in BiH died of cancer. Because of their semi-legendary character, the Illyrians were well suited as a starting point for national identity building. Only around shkoder area Slavs burned every little Illyrian city, 40 cities in total. Following the failed "Pannonian revolt" (8 AD), an intensive Romanisation of the towns in Illyria began. Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka Also the whole Northern Balkans was abandoned before the Slavs came because of Avar raids. A strong tribal chieftain, however, could unite several tribes into a kingdom. When in the last quarter of the 6th century the Danube region was devastated by Slavic, Avaric and Hunnish attackers and finally escaped imperial control for a long time, the area lost its importance as a recruitment area for the army. & Pro. South Slavs mixed mostly with Vlachs and Albanians, both of those are a mixture of other folks (Illyrians, Thracians, Dardanians e.g. During the Bronze Age certain techniques of pottery production and burial forms (burials) spread from the Balkans to southern Italy. The Dardanians, for example, are thought to have been a Thracian tribe whose culture was transformed by the Illyrian one. & Pro. ^^^^ church slavonic and the bulgarian empire, In the meantime in the real world : Greece indeed has a lot of Jakavica toponyms (Bulgarian) but Alb is full of Ekavica... lol. However, after the Illyrian name, crest with a crescent moon and tri colour were banned by the emperors decree, by Germanic-Hungarian political decision the progeny of the ancient Illyrians were declared as Albanians, and south Slavs all of a sudden became “settlers from Carpathians”. The legacy of the Romanized Illyrians are more than 600 loan words of Latin origin in the Albanian vocabulary. the Illyrian peoples Dardani and Paeones are mentioned as allies of the Trojans. written and online after approx. Some remnants of their languages seems to be present in Albanian and Romanian languages who are probably closest relatives of those people. You will know the haplogroup and migrations (prehistoric time), the ancient tribe (antiquity) as well as the region of origin (Middle Ages) of the paternal line (men) OR the maternal line (women). In the course of the 3rd century the Danube region had become one of the most important recruitment areas for the imperial army. Since about 1000 BC local cultures developed with continuity into the Iron Age (8th-6th century BC). > Focus > Middle East (NAfr/WAsia), Pro. Also I agree Albanians come from the Caucasus The term Illyrians is understood differently and used inconsistently. over part of the Illyrian territory, was called "Illyria" in Latin. The Senate Province of Illyricum included large parts of the later province of Dalmatia and parts of Pannonia. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. The point is Slavs need to get serious. Trade and traffic of the Greeks with the Illyrians, feared by them as barbarian and pirate, took place since the 6th century BC via the two Greek cities in the Illyrian region: Apollonia and Epidamnos. Pol. With the Bulgarians, it is the Thracians, Romans, Greeks, and Slavs. No, Albanians are not Slavs. A world map shows your different origins. The hypothesis of Illyrian descent is based on the assumption that there is a remaining Illyrian population in the Albanian highlands, which survived the upheavals of the migration of peoples (4th to 6th century). Greek and Latin writers of the time after the foundation of the protectorate of Illyricum, who mentioned Illyria and/or the Illyrians, did so only with regard to the administrative organization of the Balkans or in the geographical sense, because the northwest of the peninsula belonged mostly to Illyricum. ^ the name Slav has many negative connotations stemming from their enemies, ROMANS! false-Greeks hate Serbs. The Illyrians, bearers of the Hallstatt culture, were divided into tribes, each a self-governing community with a council of elders and a chosen leader. North of the core area of Illyrian settlement, tribes were widespread which were also attributed to the Illyrians, but which also show characteristics of other ancient peoples. > CRO-SPARTACUS'S WORLD -. So..... the way is not to accept all nations bla bla bla ... ^ Brate, we all began as Rascians or Rassiyans (land workers) the military known as Serbs came later.......in the beginning Rassiyans had no need for military defence, all around were Rassiyans! Don't be ridiculous, they should be graceful they allowed them to go back home. Illyrian linguistic endeavours led to the emergence of the Serbo-Croatian language, Serbo-Croats and Yugoslavs respectively. Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka And Slavs are not Illyrians. 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Illyrians or slaves, not Slavs! Only with the iGENEA Expert Test you will know the exact haplogroups and migrations (prehistoric times), the peoples of origin (antiquity) and regions of origin (Middle Ages) of the paternal AND maternal line. A central research problem is the question of an Illyrian tribe, because from the beginning the word "Illyrians" has been used by the ancient authors in the meaning of a tribal association. The earliest mentions of the Illyrians are found in Hecataios of Miletus (5th century B.C.). With the Celts in the Balkans there were also warlike conflicts, but in some regions also mixed populations. In general, the Illyrians were enemies of the Macedonians since they had invaded Macedonia around 393 BC. Miguel Casiri (1710–1791) Libyan-Spanish historian: 'Scalabitae sunt Illyr vulgo Esclavones'; Scalabits are Illyrians who are Slavs. 1.7K likes. Slavs (Bosniacs, Croats, Serbs) and other Roman tribes mixed with these early inhabitants. Ordered by 16% of customers for an origins analysis. They intermingled with the Greeks and gave them the Dionysian and Orphean cults,… Due to printing difficulties, carons are used instead of tildes. The disease? Serbs, Bulgarians, Croats are Slavic people. When the Slavic people arrived to Southeastern Europe around 500-600 A.C the Illyrians/Albanians withdrew to the mountains and became nomads. Celts For information about Illyrian Prehistory and Bronze Age see: Illyrians #Origins Slavs are the most numerous ethnic and linguistic group in Europe inhabiting about half of European continent and significant part of Asia. Almost nothing is known about the Illyrian language; in Hesychios only one word is defined as Illyrian, while over 100 are defined as Macedonian. > Focus > Ancient Mediterranean, Pro. 9 govori o ovome. There are great onomastic and cultural differences between the different peoples in Illyria. το δε γενομενον εν δαλματια παρα τησ Ρωμαικης επικουριας, και τα προμνημονευθεντα γενε των Σκυθον θεασαμενα, οι τε χρωβατοι και Σερβοι και οι λοιποι, πρεσβεις προς βασιλεα στελλουσιν αξιουντες ζευγλη της Ρωμαικης εξουσιας υπεισελθειν. We are Slavs. Stop dealing with haters. Even in antiquity, little education was attributed to these rulers, but on the other hand, familiarity with military service and excellent aptitude for state administration. Albos came from Asia in 10th century. Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs. Most likely, although the Illyrians are related to the Albanians of today, they are only one of several elements of the ethnogenesis of this people. The name of the Illyrians became the name for many neighbouring tribes that were only loosely connected with them. In addition to the online result, you will receive a noble certificate of origin in a picture frame and other documents in an elegant folder. In general, the entire territory south of Formio was known as Illyria; under Augustus, probably between 18 and 12 B.C., Histria Illyricum was conquered and, together with Venetia, incorporated into the 10th region. let you buddy pyrros translate this for you .... John Skylitzes Chronicles, historian 11th century. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. 1,8 хиљ. I wish fast resolution of the situation there. ), Other History Topics (Arts,Sociality.etc), History Forum - Ancient Mediterraneans & West Asia, History Forum - Ancient 'Haimos' (Balkans), Provocative Politics and Propaganda or Deliberate spreading of ideas, info, or rumor, Pro. Send the samples with the envelop included in the sampling kit. Albgrots try to sell the notion of the Slavs as being Asian and .... Mongols like this Tatar "sokol" claims. "Illyris" (as the Greek name suggests) was, according to Strabon (around 20 B.C. Thats obviously not the case. Important notice: the following results are only from the Orthodox population of Serbia which is why R1a is higher that average results and E1b is lower The haplogroups that make the Serbian genetic pool are as follows: I2a1b-L621: 32.49% – Sclavenian (South Slavic) R1a: 23.48% – “North“ Slavic (more common for western and eastern Slavs, southern Slavs are usually I2a) The term Illyria was probably the only one available with the necessary range of meaning to cover even approximately the areas under consideration; it is certain that this term paved the way for the late antique use of the word, as "Illyrian" under Emperor Septimius Severus (193-211 AD) described the army stationed in the Balkans and later several emperors who came from the Balkans. Excerpt from the Byzantian cronicle states that during visit to Emperor Vasilis Basil II "the Bulgar-Slayer" (Βασίλειος Β΄ ὁ Βουλγαροκτόνος). Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka Since time immemorial the Illyrians have appeared as opponents and competitors first of the Greeks and later of the Macedonians. The origin of all ancestors is determined according to regions and percentages. The archaeological legacy shows the highest settlement density of Illyrian population groups for the area of today's Albania and Bosnia. Ordered by 29% of customers for an origins analysis. At the beginning of the Middle Ages, they split into three groups: one group migrated to Central Europe (the Western Slavs), another group went to Eastern Europe (the Eastern Slavs) while the last group remained in the Balkans (the South Slavs). Since the 1830s there have been efforts in the Balkan Peninsula to trace the origins of their own people back to ancient peoples. Already under Augustus (63 B.C. But, Illyrians were largely Neolithic in genetics after their assimilation into Rome. > Focus > Ancient Balkans / Haimos, Pro. The Thracians were advanced in metalworking and in horsemanship. Pre-Indo-Germanic populations were involved in the process of Illyrian ethnogenesis, which entered into a union with the oldest Indo-Germanic immigrants. The term "Illyrians" is a collective name for an Indo-European group of peoples in the countries of the eastern Adriatic coast from Epirus to the Morawa and the middle Danube and in the northwest of the Adriatic Sea the Illyrian Venetes, which are divided into many individual tribes and are related to the Thracians. The unifying factor was mainly the locally varying degree of Romanisation. Some reached a higher level of development: the difference in civilization was particularly great between the coastal peoples and the tribes in the interior. Do not edit the contents of this page. For more than 7 centuries Illyrians and Romans (i.e. But the conquest of the whole area inhabited by Illyrians lasted even longer. Most South Slavs are 50/50. You will receive a list of genetic relatives in your online result. Illirians and Thracians are extinct cultures. After the defeat of King Perseus of Macedonia in 168 BC, it was incorporated into the province of Macedonia. Since there are only very few sources, exclusively short inscriptions as well as individual place, people and person names for the Illyrian language, a proof is very difficult. Sv78. This is an archive of past discussions. Italian colonists, Roman administrators and merchants) were in contact. The saksan employees wrote "covid". The term "Illyria" was also used in late antiquity to describe the western Balkan peninsula. Iliri su Slaveni / Illyrians are Slavs. The Illyrians fled to the walled cities of Thrace and Anatolia & Southern Greece. Furthermore, all Slavs formerly lived in the Balkans and were known by the ancient authors as the Illyrians. croatian historian and scientist: „history teaches us that the ancient Illyrians were Slavs.“ ^2 clowns ....both with red chapped hands from high-fiving each other or who knows what else, It is high treason for a Greek or Serb to acknowledge Albanians as descendants of the Illyrians. From this settlement symbiosis, in the area of northern Albania, the Albanian people emerged, in whose collective ethnicity the traces of Illyrianism have been preserved. The cultural and linguistic symbiosis between the Romanized Illyrians on the Adriatic coast and the Illyrian inhabitants of the mountainous interior, who had asserted their native traditions against the pressure of the Roman world, still appears in the Albanian language today. The proponents of this theory base this on some lexical and grammatical similarities between the Romanian and Albanian languages, which can be traced back to an Old Balkan substrate. The first misconception concerns the never-ending disputation between the … From then on, most of the army commanders came from Asia Minor, and the time of the Illyrian emperors had also come to an end. The relationship of the ancient Illyrians to the Albanians is controversial in research. Of letters with diacritics, only the letters č, ž, š and ě are retained. Two great misconceptions, mostly malicious (nationalist-chauvinist-driven), reign the historical sciences in the western-Balkans for the last two and a half centuries. Jul 23, 2008 #13 Lol and people in the Republic of macedonia are Macedonian like Alexander.. rep of Macedonia are Slavs, Macedon is in northern Greece. In the 4th century three dioceses of the new territorial-administrative structure of the Roman Empire were created in the Pannonian Balkan region (Pannonia, Moesia, Thracia): they belonged to the Illyricum, one of the four prefectures created by Emperor Constantine. In South Illyria an Illyrian kingdom was established in the 5th century BC. Autosomally, Albanians and Greeks and Italians, even Bulgarians to a lesser extent, are largely Neolithic. This mans health got worse after few days, now he is in Serbian hospital. & Pro. If you disagree with these hypotheses, please tell me politely(I know I say that a lot but I think having respectable dignity is an honorable characteristic). My Deda's bro in BiH died of cancer. Because of their semi-legendary character, the Illyrians were well suited as a starting point for national identity building. Only around shkoder area Slavs burned every little Illyrian city, 40 cities in total. Following the failed "Pannonian revolt" (8 AD), an intensive Romanisation of the towns in Illyria began. Iliri su slavenskog roda i jezika, povijest Ilira je povijest naših drevnih slavenskih predaka Also the whole Northern Balkans was abandoned before the Slavs came because of Avar raids. A strong tribal chieftain, however, could unite several tribes into a kingdom. When in the last quarter of the 6th century the Danube region was devastated by Slavic, Avaric and Hunnish attackers and finally escaped imperial control for a long time, the area lost its importance as a recruitment area for the army. & Pro. South Slavs mixed mostly with Vlachs and Albanians, both of those are a mixture of other folks (Illyrians, Thracians, Dardanians e.g. During the Bronze Age certain techniques of pottery production and burial forms (burials) spread from the Balkans to southern Italy. The Dardanians, for example, are thought to have been a Thracian tribe whose culture was transformed by the Illyrian one. & Pro. ^^^^ church slavonic and the bulgarian empire, In the meantime in the real world : Greece indeed has a lot of Jakavica toponyms (Bulgarian) but Alb is full of Ekavica... lol. However, after the Illyrian name, crest with a crescent moon and tri colour were banned by the emperors decree, by Germanic-Hungarian political decision the progeny of the ancient Illyrians were declared as Albanians, and south Slavs all of a sudden became “settlers from Carpathians”. The legacy of the Romanized Illyrians are more than 600 loan words of Latin origin in the Albanian vocabulary. the Illyrian peoples Dardani and Paeones are mentioned as allies of the Trojans. written and online after approx. Some remnants of their languages seems to be present in Albanian and Romanian languages who are probably closest relatives of those people. You will know the haplogroup and migrations (prehistoric time), the ancient tribe (antiquity) as well as the region of origin (Middle Ages) of the paternal line (men) OR the maternal line (women). In the course of the 3rd century the Danube region had become one of the most important recruitment areas for the imperial army. Since about 1000 BC local cultures developed with continuity into the Iron Age (8th-6th century BC). > Focus > Middle East (NAfr/WAsia), Pro. Also I agree Albanians come from the Caucasus The term Illyrians is understood differently and used inconsistently. over part of the Illyrian territory, was called "Illyria" in Latin. The Senate Province of Illyricum included large parts of the later province of Dalmatia and parts of Pannonia. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. The point is Slavs need to get serious. Trade and traffic of the Greeks with the Illyrians, feared by them as barbarian and pirate, took place since the 6th century BC via the two Greek cities in the Illyrian region: Apollonia and Epidamnos. Pol. With the Bulgarians, it is the Thracians, Romans, Greeks, and Slavs. No, Albanians are not Slavs. A world map shows your different origins. The hypothesis of Illyrian descent is based on the assumption that there is a remaining Illyrian population in the Albanian highlands, which survived the upheavals of the migration of peoples (4th to 6th century). Greek and Latin writers of the time after the foundation of the protectorate of Illyricum, who mentioned Illyria and/or the Illyrians, did so only with regard to the administrative organization of the Balkans or in the geographical sense, because the northwest of the peninsula belonged mostly to Illyricum. ^ the name Slav has many negative connotations stemming from their enemies, ROMANS! false-Greeks hate Serbs. The Illyrians, bearers of the Hallstatt culture, were divided into tribes, each a self-governing community with a council of elders and a chosen leader. North of the core area of Illyrian settlement, tribes were widespread which were also attributed to the Illyrians, but which also show characteristics of other ancient peoples. > CRO-SPARTACUS'S WORLD -. 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